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a gop leading super pac funded by the founder of tb ameritrade and the owner of the chicago cubs joe ricketts is now considering this proposal to launch tv ads reigniting the president's ties to the former controversial pastor. the ads and the $10 million campaign would be leading up to the campaign in september. who can argue the president mislead the nation by presenting himself as what the proposal calls himself a metro sexual black abe lincoln. he said unlike the obama campaign, governor romney is running a campaign based on jobs and the economy and we encourage everyone else do the same. we want to bring in elise ya mendez and rich galen,
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republican strategist, publisher of mullings.com. i want to hit it out of the park right now with you on this. first question, because nbc's calls this swift bet on steroids. why would this work when it didn't work in '08 and the potential it has to open up to mitt romney and questions about his own religion. >> keep in mind when john mccain had the opportunity to hang rev raenld wright around obama's neck senator mccain said several times no, even when he was pushed into trying to condemn his opponent. he refused to do that. it is clear why folks dwhoenlt
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like obama or joe ricketts would go down this route. quite frankly it's a way to gin up fears against this president among people who already don't like him and already don't like the fact that, quite frankly, there's an african-american in the white house. >> senator mccain has responded to "the new york times" story. his spokesperson has said senator mccain is proud of the fact he ran in the 2008 campaign and stands by his decision and would make them again if he had to do it all over. this campaign ad is to go out and take president obama in this direction. would that consume the race? forget economy and the job. everything that mitt romney said he's after. would it just make everything all about jeremiah wright and then really the wheels would be off the bus so to speak? >> no. i mean it wasn't all about jeremiah wright when it was all about jeremiah write.
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wright. no matter how good the cause there's always somebody who agrees with you that you wish didn't. this is something mittny's campaign doesn't want to deal with. that's the nature of any outside pac, whether it's a super pac under the new rules or the pacs under the oil rules in that not only can't you control them, you're not allowed to control them. >> do you think mitt romney's spoer spokesperson enough or does he need to come out. >> it may not come out. it may not happen. it may be friends of friends talking. >> let's go ahead and get this statement out there. this is from president obama's campaign saying this morning's story revealing apolling lengths
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to what super pacs are willing to to tear down the president and -- it also respects how far the party has drifted in four years since john mccain rejected these very tactics. once again mitt romney reacted tepidly instead of standing up to the very extreme wing of his own party. elise ya, when you hear this, how do you think people would react, those minorities around the country that would support president obama, the base. how do you thing they would react to a kpanl from the right like this going after president obama? >> well, i think just the use of the term "lit rat african-american" is going to be enough to remind african-americans what's at stake in this election. >> that's what bind said.
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i do think this starts to gin up the democratic face. that's not who the ad is going after. this is talking about swing voters who are not sure whether they want to come out again and vote for obama. this is supposed to promote doubt in their minds, takes away from key issues. overall this is tear fbler our democracy. it doesn't matter who it jins up or stays at home. it takes the focus away from where it's supposed to be an it puts power in the hands of the wealthiest system and it's not how our system was memt to be run. >> jonathan, i want to ask you about this. this is the first time that race is a factor and what is at stake in the general election. we know there are those in the party who can't accept that he's american. we have mike coffman from colorado asked by our nbc denver affiliate whether the president
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was born in the u.s. his response was i don't know where he was born. he said, i don't know that. but i do know this, that in his hart he's not an merch. >> most people in the republican party have moved on and this congressman is one of 535 people on the hill, but i thenk elise ya hits on the right issue. this is a moral issue. you have people out there perpetuating nonsens and lies and falsehoods and no one, up in of the grown-ups within the republican party are willing to come up and say, enough of this, stop this. this isn't right, it isn't good for our democracy. and until someone in the republican leadership and i'm talk about spaerk baner, riens
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prevince and anyone else steps forward and says we will not tolerate this, this is not the way we should win the white house or talk about the president of the united states, this sort of nonsense will continue. >> rich, does this show that both sides, as much as everyone wants to talk on the upfront and be nicnicy-nice is people are willing to get down in the mud over what's at stake? >> sure. democrats too. it's the nature of the politics. that's not new. politics in america, that's always been a rough a-and-tumbl sport, a blood sport. it still is. we just have msnbc help make everybody know about it. which is fine. going back to what jonathan said, that's a classic liberal response. even's expected to take. >> give me break, chris.
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>> stop, jonathan. when a democrat goes off a cliff, the rhetorical cliff, democrats typically i say, well, you know, i don't speak for him, or i don't speak for her and they get way with it. i'm not buying it, squlon jjona >> do you think when we talk about the fact that religion has not come up -- and alicia, i want to ask this of you, do you think both sides run a risky road? >> i don't understand what the other side is. i don't see democrats attacking romney on his religion. i do see where you see the attacks coming from the democratic side is talking about the record on which romney wants to run. those are things you see romney running away from, not allowing reporters access to romney they had before. they're nervous on the substance of the issues. that's why you see the republicans dredging up these decoys that they're --
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it's not republicans. it's one guy in the west. >> with a ton of money to spend. >> i'm trying to help you with this. it's one guy that has a lot of money and wants do this. one of the brilliant parts of the american form of politics in democratic is if you do this, you get these kinds of discussions. it's a free and open discussion about how bad an idea it is. >> it's a discussion we have no republican voice in though. >> don't try to lay it at the feet of every republican. that needs true and you know it. >> you just called it a discussion and all the more reason you should have gop leaders coming to the table. >> don't tell me what gop leaders are supposed to do. that's nonsense. >> dwlou have a discussion if no one will come to the table. >> we're at the table. >> exactly. >> we're smart people. >> we're not leaders. we don't have elected liters. we're not con zit yhency. we have twitter followers. >> yes, we do. >> thank you all of you.
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elise ya alicia, i want you to stick around. we've got that coming up. we want to get to this developing news out of greensboro, north carolina. closing arguments are under way in the john edward corruption trial. the jury could get this as early as tomorrow for a trial that's not been televised. this has been going on like a day time soap on rachlt his heartbroken but loyal daughter. and in the backdrop of it all the looming ghost of his late wife. phammer prosecutor and legal con kierm john q. kelly joins us. we've been wrapping this. as i say, that th has not been televised but we've had all the salacious details. from your experience as an
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attorney, what does that say to you about where this went so quickly at the end? >> not a lot. often you don't put on a defense, so u don't girk that any strong indications the fact that defense only put on six or seven witnesses. they couldn't put edward on because he lied to too many people and they caughtn't put on cate because it would look like he hid behind her. it would have been nice to have -- >> the prosecution definitely played up emotion. it doesn't prove guilt. >> no, but the tremendous charge is that the government does not have to proven that the $925,000 was used only to, you know,
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subvert the scandal that would have averted his energy. one of the purposes was to protect elizabeth edward, protect her from humiliation. even in doing, that it's helping, you know, put forward the presidential run. so it's going be hard to draw the line. >> real quickly because i have to go, your con vingz on the outcome. >> con vipgds of the first three counts. acquitted on conspiracy counts and you'll see a verdict on day two or three. >> john q. kelly. tharmg you. nbc new gets a look at trayvon martin's autopsy report. what it might reveal. details next. [ clang ] my house is where plants came to die. ♪ but, it turns out all i was missing was miracle-gro potting mix. it's got what a plant needs. even plant food that feeds them for up to 6 months. you get bigger, more beautiful plants.
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latest tragedy to strike the kennedy family. mary kennedy, the is strange wife of robert kennedy jr. was found dead in her bedford, new york home and the police say her body was found hanging and she may have left a suicide note. jeff rossen is here with the last on this. what are authorities exactly saying about the details of this death and what are the talk, though, about the autopsy results? they're out soon. >> law enforcement is telling nbc new this is an apparent suicide. there are reports she was left hanging. what police are going to be looking for right now in this autopsy is about 40 miles north of new york city where this is happening. you can see the kennedy family home. it is absolutely beautiful and sprawling and she helped refurbish the home with rfk jr. what they're going to be looking for are anything in her system, drugs, alcohol, anything like that. friends are detailing in several
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newspapers that she had sort of gone into a spiral since getting separated from rfk jr. in 2010. pulled over to a dwi. later pled guilty. pulled over later. this was indicative of the spiral she was in and clearly no one knew just how deep her problems were. >> was there any talk of them trying to reconcile or was this -- the second marriage for rfk jr. >> rfk jr. has been seen out and about with actress cheryl hines quite a bit. even some friends are quoting as saying they were about to get into a trial of custody argument. they have four children together. >> between 10 and 17. >> and obviously with everything with the kennedy family, here's another. >> jeff rossen, thank you, sir. good to see you this morning. >> so a variable treasure trove
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of new documents about to be leased. among them, witness statements and surveillance video from the night that george zimmerman shot and killed the 17-year-old. the most recent details came from an autopsy report that family's lawyer say they never received. michael isikoff is live for us in sanford. michael, take us live through the autopsy report and how they mesh up with the details going forward. >> reporter: look. this is one piece of evidence. i had a chance to review that autopsy report yesterday, and here's what it said. i said trayvon martin was killed by a penetrating gunshot would to his chest, 17 inches below the head. the single bullet passed from his frounlt through his chest causing perforations. there's one other detail. that shows one other injury to trayvon martin, an abrasion on
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his left ring finger below the knuckle. and that's being interpreted as con sin sis tent that there was a struggle between him and george zimmerman that night. the medical report from george zimmerman's report shoes likely broken nose, swollen lips, lacerations on the back of the head. so the bruised knuckle entree von martin's knuckle and first and the injuries to george zimmerman could be consistent and helpful to zimmerman's defense that he only shot trayvon marty after a struggle that became violent, however it doesn't answer the most crucial question of all which is how did the fight start, how did it begin and how did it escalate. that's central to this case and central to the prosecution case. >> when we hear about the range
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being described as intermediate. how do they do that? >> it gets very technical in terms of forensics and the gunshot wound. but one medical expert says based on the report he estimated it could have been as little as two inches. we don't know how much you can rely on that but that would be consistent with the idea that that could be consistent with a violent struggle and trayvon martin grabs the gun of george zimmerman or theover way around. >> michael isikoff from sanford, florida. tharmg you. making a come bachlkt wisconsin's embattled republican scott walker. he's got a lead over his democratic change. are they still interested in this seat or will he stay where
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change and why it's the reason he may potentially stay in office after this recall election? >> look. i think tom barrett is in a strop position to win this on june 5th. the time of person we have leading the state. someone who's turned into a right wing rocker. i think that with 19 days go, we are in excellent shape to win this election. we see the polls tightening every day, and think that this is an incredibly important election for democrats and you're going to see barrett as governor on june 5th. >> he had this to say about the race this morning on "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. take a listen. >> i think all of us should see wisconsin as an opportunity to
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ar ticulate the difference. >> as we see this gap narrowing, are democrats not articulating that the governor talks about, losing the pr war in wisconsin? >> i don't think we are, thomas. we receive scott walker and his allies have spent $25 million to $30 million. we had our democratic primary last week and i think we're now getting close to parity in spending. i think the people in wisconsin know we need a new governor. we need someone to bring the state together, heal wounds and focus on bridging jobs back and that person is tom barrett wchl ee gore doi >> what do you thing the ramifications are come november? >> well, look. thing that the president i'm team would be the first to tell you that this is an important
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election, that we're going to be talking about the type of right wing ideology that they're out there talking about. i think it's an incredibly important election. >> wisconsin democratic party mike tate. gate to see you this morning. thank you for your time. >> thanks, thomas. coming up, rainbow america. minorities make up more than half of the babies born this the u.s., outnumbering caucasians. what does this milestone mean politically? plus best friends fundraiser. is facebook around to stay or is it just a facebook fad? an befrit may seem like the stuff of fairy tales. but if you take away the faces on the trees... take away the pixie dust. take away the singing animals, and the storybook narrator...
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of all the people i ended up doing it. they had their dignity stripped.
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somehow i don't -- i don't think they're bad guys but i don't think they get that part of it. i don't think they get that part of it about what a job mean more than just a paycheck. we're not anticapitalists. for god's sake it's the system that built the country. we hope the investors do well. but you can't build an economy, the economy of the future where the only people who do well are the investors and everybody else pays the price. you can't do that. >> the vs. this morning and that was joe biden speaking of his family at car dealership in martin's ferry, ohio. mitt romney is someone who just doesn't get it. again, the venue today being a direct hit on romney who opposed the auto bailout. the duel continues with war of worlds one day after a luncheon hosted by president
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obama. >> it will force washington to act on raising the debt limit or face a disastrous default. listen, america's faced tough challenges before and every time we've been able to meet them. we can do it again. it will take a president willing to lead or at least show up. >> they're willing to deepen the deficit and give a tax break to the wealthiest and it's not creating jobs. it's not even question of sincerity. it's a question of what is their value statement. >> the white house went on the record saying the president would not let the gop hold the economy, quote, hostage again. all right. so did you hear about this? because the new figures are out today. it shows a historic shift in the american pop lalgs. for the first time ever, minority births outnumber caucasian births. latino, black, asian and mixed
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race births reached 54% of awe new berths while white births fell to 46%. joining me again is alicia menendez. how are they expected to handle the news like this when the shift was not expected. >> this has been going on. you look at my own family. my irish-german grandchildren, half of her grandchildren are latino. it's been driven by large waves of immigration and if you look at the map that's happening in places you wouldn't necessarily expect indiana, north carolina, virginia. it means that electorally these states are changing and so, too, as the party core voters in all of the states they need to begin tailoring their message to a different electorate. >> how about those groups trying to engage in what they know is going to be a wild shift in how our population is shifting
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within the borders of this country. >> right. i think you see real tension. you have people in the party trying to soften it. on the democratic side, you see a changing face of leadership. you see more hispanics running for office. you have someone like hector balderas in new mexico looking to become the next u.s. senator from new mexico. they don't happen overnight but you see both parties starting to make small shifts. >> alicia, great to see you again. >> great to see you. they're launching a mavis voter drive, laws that could keep minorities and young peeope away from the polls. it's great to see both of you this morning. marvin, it's great to see you.
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the naacp says it's down. what are some of the factors seeing that minority reg strags say where it was or exceed where it was? >> well, fit of all, the naacp is launching a historic reach campaign. it's called "this is my vote." it's designed to register and educatie educa educate thousands across the neigh and make sure we're educating them. as you know, there are laws on the books all across the nation are changing the ability of people to come to the polls and simply cast their ballot without having initial photo i.d.s. what's different about our campaign this year is we're combining the broad base of activists that we have across the nation in 50 states with 21st century modern technology to run a coordinated response to this coordinated attack on
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voting right. if you're at home and want to find out about the laws this this state, you can find out what the laws are or fill out a re send it in. you can go to 866-myvote1 and we can send you a rmg station form that's already filled out. it's our job to make sure voting is easier, not harder. >> insure as you know, there was a drop in 2010. also we have to make sure we bring the large number of youth vote that turned nout the last presidential election out again. >> right. >> so our birthday present to over half turning 18 is we're going to send them a filled out registration form that all they have do is send in and be able to vote. >> it would make it easier for those with a lot of options. this is something that jgen xer
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deal with. >> rock the vote, similar to naacp is launching a massive campaign to make sure young people know that the rules of the game have changed. know what the laws are. but also making sure that we're bringing voter registration to them, that i we're making it accessible in helping them get registered to vote. as you know, there's 18-year-olds turning 18 every single day. in fact, nearly 13,000 people turning 18 each day. that means 18 newly eligible voters since the last presidential election. we need to be out there whether it's in their classroom, college campuses, festivals, getting them registered, making sure they're prepared. >> one thing the internet has provided is making it'sier for them to get to them.
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talk about the success you've seen through the web and then also remembering that not all people have access to a computer, not all people have access to a computer do it. >> that's true. 21 years ago we used fax machines and phone books. so anybody can go to rockthevote.com right now and fill out a very simple voter registration form, print it, sign it, mail it in. we help you with that process. but we're also bringing it to the mobile phone. as more and more people are using their mobile phones, they're able to just go right there on their phone, fill out their registration form and send it in. >> fax machines are still hip, right, heather? we still have fax machines. >> we've been talking about this for a while. america's biggest social network putting the final price on its ipo latered to.
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facebook could raise as much as $18.5 million when it shares begin trading on the nasdaq tomorrow. a new poll is secting that it could be nothing more than a boon dogle. we're joined now. jim, as we look at this new report, it says that 57ch of facebook users never click on ads or ad content. i know i've done it excellently and it makes me mad because it sends you somewhere you don't want to go. 26% say they hardly ever use it. when you look at this as a business model, not a brick & mortar, how is this a boon dogle? >> for kids' prycy and teens'
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privacy it's a big concern. their business motto is people giving up their information. gm came out and said it's not that effective advertising on facebook. as investors are out there they're going have to make that decision. as a parent, advocate for children, we want stronger privacy protection on facebook and that has business implications too. >> when we talk about the in fact it's going be going public, what do people at home need to know about the changes coming to something they're so familiar with. >> as a user, you have to think about, iowa, what i look about s service, do i have concerns about privacy, are they having too much? that's a concern for me as a dad. thing if you're an vester you have to say is this going to fakts their long-term ability to generate profit? that's what that poll suggests.
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it's what the gm decision yesterday. that's a decision an investor makes. i'm a child advocate? >> when we talk about the fact that you're a child advocate and we look at this for what it is, when facebook started it was for college kids. you had to have a dot edu log to log in and then everybody came onboard and it became open. now you can have a 10-year-old up to an 80-year-old. >> correct. >> it affects the age ranges of people that can be on there. >> yes, it does. someone like you and me uses facebook differently than a 4-year-old kid does. you probably have thought you don't want to live your whole life out in public and there are things to keep private. i certainly know that. i want that for kids. three of them are teenagers. they don't -- >> they don't know that. they only have a life of facebook. >> they don't self-reflect before they self-reveal. that's why this is such a big
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issue. there has been legislation in congress called "do not track kids" that goes to the heart of this matter and proposes an eraser but tob. so there are legislative issues that could impact facebook's business model going forward. >> meanwhile it's just dollar signs people see about tomorrow. >> yeah, but it is a big issue about, you know, privacy versus profits and this does force a big national conversation about facebook and social media and what's good. >> james s te yer, great to see you. why they're replacing their first commander of the prestigious drill sergeant school. plus. he decided to take a detour behind some buildings to rape me and choke me almost to death. i was sort of seeing that little light you aechb hear about. >> victim of violence.
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♪ glidden paint makes it easy to add color to your life. glidden gets you going. #. one experience i had that occurred to me that i thought of this morning is a time when i took a ride with a guy i thought was a friend to go to -- to get some fried chicken, and he decided to take a detour behind some buildings to rape me and choke me, almost to death. i was sort of seeing that little light that you often hear about. >> that was wisconsin congresswoman gwen moore powerfully commenting on her own rape the same day that the house passed its own version of the violence against women act, legislation that opponents say does not go inferior enough in protecting the rights of victims. congresswoman moore joins me
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this morning. congresswoman, i appreciate you making time for us. i would like to know why you share with us your personal story to make the point you make. >> well, thomas, thank you for having me. i think by telling my own story, it puts a face on these discussions. we spend endless hours with talking points and/or doublespeak, and i don't think the message really gets through to the other side. we don't have a conversation about what's at stake. the particular bill that was passed yesterday really diminishes protections for victim victims and actually increases the rights of the abusers, and their bill really triggered this memory for me because, you know, the rest of that clip which you didn't play is i actually did the right thing. i went to the hospital. i went to court. but the prosecution 20 years
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before was not sensitive to the victim. so they put me on trial. they talked about the fact that i had a child out of wedlock, they talked about what i was wearing at the time, the fact that i voluntarily got in the car with him. and i was on trial. >> right, victimizing the victim. >> this bill sort of takes us back. it's a recession back. it gives the abuser more rights. it assumes there's a negative. before they could receive any services they have to prove that they're victims. >> congresswoman, the republican congresswoman who reduced the bill sandy adams -- i had a chance. she herself had admitted being a victim of domestic violence. take a listen to what she had to say. >> it's not listing victim or
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victim. what we're saying is this bill has always been an all inclusive if you're a victim, you're a victim. i keep saying that. it's a victim centerpiece of legislation because all victims are included. >> congresswoman, i was asking congresswoman adams about the fact that there are certain revisions that were made in the bill itself that were to exclude lgbt victims. to exclude victims, exclude native americans who suffer violence. and specifically about the lgbt portion that was left out of this. but she was saying that that really didn't matter, that a victim is a victim, that this is a victim center-based bill. how do you respond those assertion and those points that it wasn't necessary to put in there the protections for specific types of people? >> well, come on, thomas, what are we pre tending not to know? first of all, the
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recommendations to include lgbt clients, native americans, and visas for immigrants was placed in there because of advocates advocates doing their research on best practices decided that the bill was just too narrow, to include these groups. i mean, these weren't wild picket sign carrying folks. these were district attorneys, the department of adjustment, law enforcement, professional social workers who said we need to expand the bill to include these folks. your example of lgbt. 85% of the advocates report that lesbians have been turned down for services, not because they were women, but because they were lesbians. the native american provisions, sandy adams touted the fact they have rights in federal court. a federal court may be 400 miles from those tribal lands.
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still, it does not provide them the tribal councils with the ability to make those arrests of non-tribal people, many of whom are the majority on tribal lands, and so there's a veritable sanctuary for sexual assault on tribal lands. same thing with visas. law enforcement cannot do what they have been doing and that is providing these visas when the woman is cooperating with them. instead, it creates additional hurdles and provides a lot more power for the abuser. >> congresswoman gwen moore. thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be back after this. sn] [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. love the air. [ sneezes ]
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>> the first woman put in charge of training the drill instructors is fighting a legal battle to get her job back.
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tefr reis a king spent 6 months on suspension. ron mott has more. >> reporter: people stood and noticed when the army's drill sergeant school was placed in the hands of theresa king. >> what kind of class you have on. >> first woman whose name was no nonsense management. >> i made no qualms about the name they had given me. >> reporter: not everyone warmed to her style as a stickeler. candidates failed, complaints of unfair abusive environment surfaced. suspension followed. >> my two superiors should be head of can i balance for what they have done. the defamation, trashing my reputation. >> she filed a formal complaint against her direct supervisor command sergeant major john kalpina and richard longo, earlier this mismajor general bradley mays says the recommendation to rereeve her of
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cut they is not warrantsed, lifting her suspension. king is asking for a congressional investigation and the military to give her back the six months under suspension. as it stands her job here is scheduled to end on thursday. her attorney says legal action will be taken. >> she has a lot of work ahead of her to repair what has been a totally unjustifiable assault to her reputation. >> the controversy landed king back on the front page, raising questions about motive. she cites gender bias, race, to a lesser degree. >> here's the bottom line. i think there was an absolute conspiracy to go out there and remove sergeant major king. >> reporter: the army declined to comment on camera saying in a statement the army takes seriously any and all allegations of racism and sexism. command sergeant major king's concerns are being carefully reviewed and appropriate action will be taken if and as warranted. >> we're going to fight back and get my reputation back.
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>> a reputation tarnished by scandal, with few clear details. ron mott, nbc news, fort jackson, south carolina. >> that's going to wrap things up for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow, 11:00 a.m. eastern. now with alex wagg ewagger. well, shoot, that's like checking on your burgers after they're burnt! [ male announcer ] treat your frequent heartburn by blocking the acid with prilosec otc. and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. i'm a wife, i'm a mom... and chantix worked for me. it's a medication i could take and still smoke, while it built up in my system. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems,
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